tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post116499655688722254..comments2023-11-05T01:50:45.024-08:00Comments on Supersonicsoul - The Sonics Blog!: Jamaal Magloire: Yay or Nay?Paulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07413382016761430333noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165023594455481712006-12-01T17:39:00.000-08:002006-12-01T17:39:00.000-08:00I hear ya. It would be hard for anyone associated ...I hear ya. It would be hard for anyone associated not to be pumped up by that year and feel good about their contribution and then shocked by the next year. It was a great coincidence of many things, including Nate reaching his coaching maturity and doing it his way (lowering pace, using Daniels late, spacing with Radmanovic before everyone had figure that out, mixing tough bigs with the shooting perimeter guys in the starting line, the strong rebounding edge, the toughness issue of other teams not knowing hard James, Forston or Evans were going to hit if they came in the lane, etc.)<BR/><BR/>TKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165020811307880392006-12-01T16:53:00.000-08:002006-12-01T16:53:00.000-08:00I wasn't knocking Oliver, just found it funny that...I wasn't knocking Oliver, just found it funny that we heard quite a bit about him when the team was doing well, then nothing afterwards.<BR/><BR/>I chalk it up to the media - and the rest of us - not understanding why the Sonics played so well that year. It didn't make any sense, since they hadn't acquired any big-name talent ... so it has to be some trick, right? I guess Oliver fit the bill as a "trick." <BR/><BR/>In reality, the Sonics had fate smile upon that year, and received great performances from a number of guys at important times (Fortson in the fall/winter, JJ in the playoffs, AD all year, Radman from time to time).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165020050406544972006-12-01T16:40:00.000-08:002006-12-01T16:40:00.000-08:00It was understandable early enthusiasm and perhaps...It was understandable early enthusiasm and perhaps justified though only he and a few folks know the sum contents of what he was asked to study and what his advice was and where it was followed and not followed and what the results were. I picked up that Weiss and then presumably Hill werent as receptive to even listening to another advisor as Nate halfway allowed.<BR/><BR/>From his own comments we were told that he suggested the Sonics in the 05 playoffs against Spurs, having difficulty getting off the 3 pt shot, to take advantage of the in between game. Maybe that was the only thing left to do but that was exactly what the Spurs wanted and they eventually closed the series out. I might have fought harder to get the 3pt off. Perhaps more drives all the way to the hole to try to loosen that up would have helped more than tough for almost everybody, worst shot on the court according to a 82games study of points produced per shot, midrange shots. But the Spurs were a superior team and the defeat was honorable. <BR/><BR/>But Oliver is a sharp, hard working guy with another opportunity in Denver and I wish him well with that. Any team <BR/>should have that kind of insight available to the coach and GM. I am not sure if anyone has directly replaced that yet in the Sonics organization.<BR/><BR/>Maybe with time, Kevin Pelton can field some similar type questions, file some reports as either they see a need or he does and is permitted to do so. He is sharp too.<BR/><BR/>TKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165016075183245942006-12-01T15:34:00.000-08:002006-12-01T15:34:00.000-08:00I remember when Oliver came on board during the So...I remember when Oliver came on board during the Sonics' big run 2 years ago, we heard all sorts of comments about how the Sonics were using his statistical analysis to win games, and how that (partially) explained the team's meteoric rise in the standings.<BR/><BR/>Didn't hear anything last year about statistical analysis, or this year either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165015750137956822006-12-01T15:29:00.000-08:002006-12-01T15:29:00.000-08:00Rashard Lewis 9th best +/- in the league.Extension...Rashard Lewis 9th best +/- in the league.<BR/><BR/>Extension? Seems worthwhile. But is it too late to get him to accept it now before next summer?<BR/><BR/>TKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165015455874562572006-12-01T15:24:00.000-08:002006-12-01T15:24:00.000-08:00Walker and Cho years ago according to an old media...Walker and Cho years ago according to an old media story had some I believe Microsoft programmers create software to go beyond what you can manually do with real GM trade checker to instead produce a super long list of all possible trades with a given asset or assets. It is a good way to see a non-obvious trade and have plenty of things to try to sell over the phone with other GMs. Maybe that helped identify the Payton/Allen blockbuster or other trades.<BR/>I dont know if Sund liked to rely on it or still uses it. I assume it is probably still there as much as he wants it. But he seems more old school, do it yourself rather than personally wanting to expand tech or fancy stat work.<BR/>Dean Oliver moved on to Denver. From some comments he's made dont think he found Sund or Hill especially receptive to new methods.<BR/><BR/>TKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165014911253645552006-12-01T15:15:00.000-08:002006-12-01T15:15:00.000-08:00Claxton was a little better than average defender ...Claxton was a little better than average defender last year and has been fine on that this year. I guess he isnt healthy and his offense sucks so far but I dont know the details. TKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165014762184363522006-12-01T15:12:00.000-08:002006-12-01T15:12:00.000-08:00Is there any better way to waste 45 minutes than b...Is there any better way to waste 45 minutes than by speculating about trades? I wonder if Rick Sund ever sits in his office with realgm.com and just starts screwing around with ridiculous moves.<BR/><BR/>"Hey, if we send Danny Fortson, Earl Watson, Damien Wilkins and 9 first round picks to Minnesota for Kevin Garnett, it would work! Somebody wake McHale up and get him on the phone!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165014664733448922006-12-01T15:11:00.000-08:002006-12-01T15:11:00.000-08:0082 games has an article showing Magliore in bottom...82 games has an article showing Magliore in bottom 20 in league on +/- so far this year.<BR/>http://www.nbcsports.com/nba/501280/detail.html<BR/><BR/>Of course it is unadjusted.<BR/><BR/>TKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165014417940154792006-12-01T15:06:00.001-08:002006-12-01T15:06:00.001-08:00I think Atlanta knows that Tyronn Lue and Speedy C...I think Atlanta knows that Tyronn Lue and Speedy Claxton aren't the answer for a playoff team - you've got to have a defensive point guard, unless you're planning on scoring 110 points a night (even when the Sonics did well in the playoffs, it was with AD playing point A LOT in the 4th quarter). Watson would be a big help to them, and since he wants out so badly, I'd hope Seattle would be willing to do it.<BR/><BR/>The side bonus is that getting rid of a disgruntled guy always helps the team. You can't tell me that Ridnour isn't sick of hearing about how he doesn't deserve his job...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165014392665263672006-12-01T15:06:00.000-08:002006-12-01T15:06:00.000-08:00Anon is lazy default. I dont particularly want to...Anon is lazy default. I dont particularly want to register at the moment but maybe later. TKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165014191334313622006-12-01T15:03:00.000-08:002006-12-01T15:03:00.000-08:00Sorry again, browser is acting up. Wright contract...Sorry again, browser is acting up. <BR/><BR/>Wright contract- 2 years (thru next season) at about $6.5 million total.<BR/>If he were available at a reasonable price I'd support a deal for him.<BR/>With Atlanta aiming for first playoffs in long time though I think they keep him as long as they are on that track.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165014048652530782006-12-01T15:00:00.001-08:002006-12-01T15:00:00.001-08:00I love all the comments, but please give yourself ...I love all the comments, but please give yourself a name(s) people! Anons are sooooo six months ago.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413382016761430333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165014019367685042006-12-01T15:00:00.000-08:002006-12-01T15:00:00.000-08:00Swift injury couldnt have been anticipated of cour...Swift injury couldnt have been anticipated of course but having veteran big insurance is standard practice. I doubt they really expected a serviceable season from Fortson. Moore was cheap but not good enough. <BR/><BR/>Wright might have been better where they needed it on D. His individual D is about average but maybe he has a large help value because Team defense with him on court is way better than him off for Atlanta. Positive on/off defensive impact in Memphis too but not as strong because rest of team was more competent.<BR/><BR/>Seems like Sonics management overestimated speed of our young centers learning curve with Sikma instruction. Or thought they could win always. Wrong either way. Almost no team that makes playoffs uses bigs under 25 years old unless they are a lottery young big playing well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165013962153632742006-12-01T14:59:00.000-08:002006-12-01T14:59:00.000-08:00Swift injury couldnt have been anticipated of cour...Swift injury couldnt have been anticipated of course but having veteran big insurance is standard practice. I doubt they really expected a serviceable season from Fortson. Moore was cheap but not good enough. <BR/><BR/>Wright might have been better where they needed it on D. His individual D is about average but maybe he has a large help value because Team defense with him on court is way better than him off for Atlanta. Positive on/off defensive impact in Memphis too but not as strong because rest of team was more competent.<BR/><BR/>Seems like Sonics management overestimated speed of our young centers learning curve with Sikma instruction. Or thought they could win always. Wrong either way. Almost no team that makes playoffs uses bigs under 25 years old unless they are a lottery young big playing well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165013929947134102006-12-01T14:58:00.000-08:002006-12-01T14:58:00.000-08:00I like the Wright idea, especially because it's mo...I like the Wright idea, especially because it's more likely the Hawks would move him than Zaza. Not sure what Wright's contract length is, but if it's a one-year, he'd fit in nicely for this seasonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165012868590042202006-12-01T14:41:00.000-08:002006-12-01T14:41:00.000-08:00Wright was available last summer too. If the Sonic...Wright was available last summer too. If the Sonics wanted him they should have gone after him then and beat the best offer which wasnt that high $3 mil a year. Again I think it is too late. He is performing the role Atlanta had in mind for him . I dont think the Sonics want to give up any 1st round picks unless they get a very good player. Wright was that but a 1st would probably be considered too steep now at almost 31, by Sund. A GM desperate to make playoffs this year might, but so far I dont see any signs Sund will behave that way. He'd have to do it this month or it will be too late to save this season. He hasnt pulled trigger on an early season trade since being here. Everything in Feb. or off season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165012242488816572006-12-01T14:30:00.000-08:002006-12-01T14:30:00.000-08:00Zaza isnt great but he seems competent and can giv...Zaza isnt great but he seems competent and can give long minutes and seems durable and steady headed. His defense of centers was average to a little better right from the start of his career and is currently showing nicely above average this year. Not as good defending against more talented PFs but still pretty close to average and gives you flexibility to slide him in a rotation with others.<BR/><BR/>He is an example of what the Sonics hope Swift or Petro can become.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165011606922096012006-12-01T14:20:00.000-08:002006-12-01T14:20:00.000-08:00It's a long shot, you're right. The Sonics could g...It's a long shot, you're right. The Sonics could go after Lorenzen Wright, though, who's not getting many minutes for the Hawks. Wright's a strong rebounder and decent offensive player. Seattle could send Watson, the Greek guy, and a pick for Wright and Tyronn Lue/Speedy Claxton.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165011470632456512006-12-01T14:17:00.000-08:002006-12-01T14:17:00.000-08:00I'd like that but Atlanta would not want that deal...I'd like that but Atlanta would not want that deal. <BR/><BR/>If the Sonics wanted Zaza they should have pursued him when he was a free agent (I expressed interest in such a move at the time) and then maybe used one of the recent draft picks on something else other than a center. Atlanta's pick up of Zaza was a very good move and I assume they will do everything possible to keep him long term when his modest price deal ends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165010397115894872006-12-01T13:59:00.000-08:002006-12-01T13:59:00.000-08:00How about this possibility:To Seattle:Zaza Pachuli...How about this possibility:<BR/>To Seattle:<BR/>Zaza Pachulia<BR/>Speedy Claxton<BR/><BR/>To Atlanta:<BR/>Earl Watson<BR/>Danny Fortson<BR/><BR/>The Hawks get an expiring contract (Fortson) and a better PG, and the Sonics get an above-average center.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165009359254357642006-12-01T13:42:00.000-08:002006-12-01T13:42:00.000-08:00Another lazy player, just what the Sonics need. At...Another lazy player, just what the Sonics need. At least the greek dude has some desire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165007756541870052006-12-01T13:15:00.000-08:002006-12-01T13:15:00.000-08:00Sorry for the double post.Good site.Sorry for the double post.<BR/><BR/>Good site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165007667890616772006-12-01T13:14:00.001-08:002006-12-01T13:14:00.001-08:00Sund should inquire about Magliore, Foster, Haywoo...Sund should inquire about Magliore, Foster, Haywood, etc.<BR/><BR/>You are right it all comes down to price. <BR/>External trade talk can be amusing but without knowing bid/offer prices it is hard to guess what has a chance of working.<BR/><BR/>No trades yet around the league since season start. I get the impression the league prefers the action concentrated in February much as it went last year. Preferring that teams dont blow up product early and hurt early ticket sales. Trades in Febrauary may help ticket sales the rest of the way or at least by then it is probably to late to hurt them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-1165007667276965082006-12-01T13:14:00.000-08:002006-12-01T13:14:00.000-08:00Sund should inquire about Magliore, Foster, Haywoo...Sund should inquire about Magliore, Foster, Haywood, etc.<BR/><BR/>You are right it all comes down to price. <BR/>External trade talk can be amusing but without knowing bid/offer prices it is hard to guess what has a chance of working.<BR/><BR/>No trades yet around the league since season start. I get the impression the league prefers the action concentrated in February much as it went last year. Preferring that teams dont blow up product early and hurt early ticket sales. Trades in Febrauary may help ticket sales the rest of the way or at least by then it is probably to late to hurt them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com