tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post1263752875599210940..comments2023-11-05T01:50:45.024-08:00Comments on Supersonicsoul - The Sonics Blog!: Rounding Out the DraftPaulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07413382016761430333noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-69288297540140622642008-06-30T15:34:00.000-07:002008-06-30T15:34:00.000-07:00Here's my thoughts on the current situation:Crow I...Here's my thoughts on the current situation:<BR/>Crow I have to say I agree with you on pretty much all your points, including Sonicscentral, which has blind homers comparing Westbrook to GP. <BR/>Right now the Sonics need a PG and a center, but most importantly they needed a game changer that could have an immediate impact on the team. Maybe put a couple more people in the seats. <BR/>There were only three game changing impact players in the draft, Rose, Beasley, and Mayo. The fact that we were unable to move up and get either Beasley or Mayo kills me right now. <BR/>When the ownership is blaming the fans because they didn't show up (even though there was a terrible product on the floor), adding Mayo or Beasley would've brought more excitement, and especially more talent and potential to the Sonics. <BR/>That being said we just need more talent on the floor right now. There is a huge difference in the talent levels between Westbrook compared to Mayo and Beasley.<BR/>As for fitting specific team needs, Westbrook basically brings defense and his athleticism. The Sonics need defense, but we need a guard who can score and shoot. Badly. Durant can't break these doubles by himself all the time. The Earl Watson comparison was accurate and painful at the same time. Beasley and Mayo both have sky high ceilings, and are also ready to contribute right away, while that doesn't apply to Westbrook. Remember, the Sonics need an impact player now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-85899782624030214322008-06-28T04:57:00.000-07:002008-06-28T04:57:00.000-07:00A backcourt of Russell Westbrook and Ricky Rubio w...A backcourt of Russell Westbrook and Ricky Rubio would be an entertaining pairing, with Rubio compensating for most of Westbrook's drawbacks -- except for three-point shooting, which eventually needs to be adressed by Sam Presti -- additionally, Rubio's outstanding help defense when clogging the passing lanes and creating turnovers would complement Westbrook's shutdown one-on-one perimeter defense when he's guarding opponents during on-the-ball situations.<BR/><BR/>I'd also be happy with a true pivotman like B.J. Mullens -- who, if I recall correctly, has been compared to Brad Daugherty by some scouting reports -- for he'd fill that huge, gaping hole at center for the Sonics. The team's present frontline rotation of Chris Wilcox, Nick Collison, Johan Petro, and D.J. White is quite possibly the worst in the NBA. Likewise, Robert Swift is still an oft-injured prospect, Mouhamed Sene has established himself as a complete and utter bust, DeVon Hardin projects to be a third-string scrub, and Serge Ibaka is an unproven foreigner who's likely to stay overseas.<BR/><BR/>Blake Griffin is also an upper-tier prospect; however, he's strictly a power forward -- such as Carlos Boozer, David Lee, et al. -- and, moreover, he's mediocre on defense. I'm surprised that Griffin didn't come out this year; he'd've fit much better with the Charlotte Bobcats instead of D.J. Augustin, who'd've been better off dropping to the Sacramento Kings.<BR/><BR/>Brandon Jennings, who's seemingly a throwback to past playmakers like Kenny Anderson and Rod Strickland, does nothing for me. According to scouting reports, Jennings is apparently all flash with very little substance. Plus, he's allegedly not a refined floor general and is undersized for even a point guard.<BR/><BR/>Also, I'm not on the Hasheem Thabeet bandwagon. Even if Thabeet is the second-coming of Dikembe Mutumbo, it's not worth using a top-five pick -- which is where the Sonics will be probably draft next year, since this once again looks like a 20-win team -- to get him. Hell, championships are usually won with two-way low-post and/or high-post players (e.g., Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Rasheed Wallace, et al.) at the helm. Obviously, Thabeet isn't one of those guys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-63582510629172095442008-06-27T20:17:00.000-07:002008-06-27T20:17:00.000-07:00Small follow-up:Hardin turned 22 this month.Not yo...Small follow-up:<BR/><BR/>Hardin turned 22 this month.<BR/>Not young but not ancient either for a senior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-66613405372959236832008-06-27T20:11:00.000-07:002008-06-27T20:11:00.000-07:00Presti has gone far on the versatility bandwagon. ...Presti has gone far on the versatility bandwagon. maybe too far. One way it might make sense is if Green as a 3/4 and Westbrook as a 1/2 are somewhat blurred commodities and not as highly sought by other teams when 2nd contract time comes, perhaps seeking pure "fits".<BR/>Maybe he gets these guys re-signed at reasonable prices and has more money left over for other things?<BR/>If that is the strategy and they are still worthy of keeping then maybe it pays off. But it could flop badly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-85824087615113172142008-06-27T20:06:00.001-07:002008-06-27T20:06:00.001-07:00Presti / PJ steaming toward a choice - at best - ...Presti / PJ steaming toward a choice - at best - between Rubio and Griffin.<BR/><BR/>Rubio would be fun and might fit with Westbrook and Durant at least part of the time at the 3. <BR/><BR/>Griffin's 1st year writeup sounded good but not that special.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-86271442021736126872008-06-27T20:06:00.000-07:002008-06-27T20:06:00.000-07:00A hybrid of Rajon Rnndo and Antonio Daniels aptly ...A hybrid of Rajon Rnndo and Antonio Daniels aptly describes Russell Westbrook, who'll most likely never justify being selected with the 4th pick. That's not Westbrook's fault, though; he can't control those insane expectations of him.<BR/><BR/>I'm curious about Sam Presti's reasoning behind using top-five draft picks on role players, Westbrook and Jeff Green, in consecutive years. In all honesty, it doesn't make any sense to me on a rational level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-78834043364123746502008-06-27T19:59:00.000-07:002008-06-27T19:59:00.000-07:00Some comparisons can be way off but folks are hopi...Some comparisons can be way off but folks are hoping for the best.<BR/><BR/>Of the 3 names you used with regards to Westbrook I'd go for Rondo on offense / Daniels on defense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-30522905185596325642008-06-27T19:50:00.000-07:002008-06-27T19:50:00.000-07:00There's some dumbass homers over at SonicsCentral ...There's some dumbass homers over at SonicsCentral who're comparing Russell Westbrook to Gary Payton, which is a fuckin' slap in the face to "The Glove" and his legacy.<BR/><BR/>Hell, the comparisons between Serge Ibaka and Shawn Kemp are even more goddamn ridiculous. It makes me almost sick to my stomach. Ibaka has not one thing in common with "The Reign Man," for he's actually similar to another former Sonics, Olumide Oyedeji, who was an absolute atrocity. Yeah, folks, Sam Presti wasted a first-round pick on the next Oyedeji. There's there so-called "boy genius" at work.<BR/><BR/>If those fools want to compare Payton to someone from the 2008 NBA Draft, then Derrick Rose is their man. Westbrook, however, couldn't even hold Payton's fucking jockstrap. Of course, last year several braindead morons over there were rambling like mentally challenged children that Kevin Durant and Jeff Green were the next Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.<BR/><BR/>That all just goes to show how uneducated homers are mindless lemmings who can be convinced of damn near anything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-85208045439364191462008-06-27T19:37:00.000-07:002008-06-27T19:37:00.000-07:00CDR has the most upside of any 2nd rounder and pro...CDR has the most upside of any 2nd rounder and probably proves out to be worth the 24th pick or higher to some team. <BR/><BR/>On the surface it doesn't make sense why he slipped that much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-81353472478444605882008-06-27T19:06:00.000-07:002008-06-27T19:06:00.000-07:00As far as I'm concerned, Chris Douglas-Roberts -- ...As far as I'm concerned, Chris Douglas-Roberts -- who'd've been an adequate replacement for Mickael Gelabale as a reserve swingman -- should've been choosen with the 24th pick instead of Serge "O.O., Jr." Ibaka.<BR/><BR/>While some folks slobber over Ibaka's supposed potential, there'd've been more value in selecting a proven commodity at the wing positions—especially since he'd've come in right away and filled a need.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-40940308938220756622008-06-27T18:59:00.000-07:002008-06-27T18:59:00.000-07:00Russell Westbrook has some stuff in common with Ra...Russell Westbrook has some stuff in common with Rajon Rondo, Earl Watson, and Antonio Daniels.<BR/><BR/>Unlike Rondo, however, Westbrook isn't the greatest help defender by sealing off passing lanes, creating turnovers, and getting steals. Unlike Watson, however, Westbrook isn't a true floor general and doesn't shoot well enough from beyond the arc. Unlike Daniels, however, Westbrook doesn't get to the line too often and shoots a poor free-throw percentage.<BR/><BR/>Dammit, Westbrook is looking worse and worse upon further evaluation. A legitimate pivotman like Brook Lopez or a skilled power forward like Kevin Love should've been the pick instead of an athletic, yet flawed combo guard like Westbrook.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-34771900907091865942008-06-27T16:59:00.000-07:002008-06-27T16:59:00.000-07:00One significant difference between Westbrook and R...One significant difference between Westbrook and Rondo that everyone seems to be glazing over.<BR/><BR/>Rondo IS and WAS ALWAYS basically a point guard. Westbrook most definitely was not. Comparing shooting percentages has nothing to do with ability to run a team offense and make "point guard decisions." <BR/><BR/>Not that I think Rondo is great in that department, but he is certainly better than a young Earl Watson, who ironically is a fantastic comparison for our young tweener guard.<BR/><BR/>Jesus I hated writing that last sentence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-54618491561017789342008-06-27T14:53:00.000-07:002008-06-27T14:53:00.000-07:00Rondo was clearly the more advanced demonstrated p...Rondo was clearly the more advanced demonstrated passer in college and far, far, far better as a rebounder. They were about equal on turnover rate and getting to the line.<BR/>Westbrook a bit better from 3, Rondo better from 2. Rondo with a clear edge on steals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-53060769148082365002008-06-27T14:43:00.000-07:002008-06-27T14:43:00.000-07:00Rondo overachieved his draft rank and that doesn't...Rondo overachieved his draft rank and that doesn't surprise me but he did it in an ideal situation. <BR/><BR/>For Westbrook to match or beat Rondo might be a decent standard but for a 4th pick some would argue that it is a low bar. <BR/><BR/>Will see how he does in year 1, 3 and beyond.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-81802737629474645352008-06-27T14:29:00.000-07:002008-06-27T14:29:00.000-07:00In college Durant & Green made up for not that spe...In college Durant & Green made up for not that special shooting by getting to the line a lot. Westbrook offensive rating is not as high.<BR/><BR/>In pros last season Durant has a nice but not super high 47th on FT/FG ratio among regular rotation players and Green was 86th. Ideally they get more calls and step up those rates. And become better shooters.<BR/><BR/>Westbrook will need to get to line a lot at minimum and learn to shoot better too eventually.<BR/><BR/>Reportedly Rondo was a better college freshman but as a shooter /scorer Westbrook hopefully be able to match or better his modest eFG% and FT/FG rates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-47780454358597718542008-06-27T14:14:00.000-07:002008-06-27T14:14:00.000-07:00Love and CDR were efficient college shooters. Pass...Love and CDR were efficient college shooters. Passed up, will see how they perform as pros compared to those Presti took.<BR/><BR/>At least DJ White is efficient.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-68371009235573920582008-06-27T14:04:00.000-07:002008-06-27T14:04:00.000-07:00Looking at their college shooting you might say Du...Looking at their college shooting you might say Durant & Green were good or good enough but among college players playing over 20 minutes a game Green was about the 100th best college shooter on eFG% and Durant was about 160th. Westbrook wasn't in top 300.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-27111145664714674662008-06-27T13:36:00.000-07:002008-06-27T13:36:00.000-07:00Presti seems to date to put actual college FG% pre...Presti seems to date to put actual college FG% pretty low on the list in judging prospects for his top picks. A good narrative, "character", physique, "versatility" all seem to be weighted more.<BR/><BR/>Based on comments I recently heard from him about Durant & Green and now Westbrook I don't think he really firmly knows where any of them will ultimately end up playing position-wise and if they will succeed specifically there and he doesn't seem to have made that the critical criteria. It is a risky attitude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-80394912547687692772008-06-27T09:57:00.000-07:002008-06-27T09:57:00.000-07:00Pat, the problem with Westbrook is that he is unde...Pat, the problem with Westbrook is that he is undersized for the 2 and hasn't shown true PG potential. He is a tweener. Even the best of PG's struggle making the NBA transition (Gary Payton, anyone?) Many never do, and tweener guards even more so. Rodney Monroe, anyone? Even the (now) great Chauncey Billups struggled for several years.<BR/><BR/>For the Sonics, a team in DESPERATE NEED of players that can help immediately, the pick was bad. Westbrook was drafted on potential and doesn't help the immediate circumstances. The only immediate positive contributor will be White. But considering the available talent ready to contribute both in the short and long term, the decisions the Sonics made were... less than adequate.<BR/><BR/>Westbrook will be a great player perhaps... in 3-5 years. Hopefully NOT for Oklahoma City, but likely not for the Sonics, regardless of where they are.<BR/><BR/>It's a crappy pick for THIS team. Period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-79254817321593655802008-06-27T02:03:00.000-07:002008-06-27T02:03:00.000-07:00To be honest, I love the Westbrook pick. In my opi...To be honest, I love the Westbrook pick. In my opinion he was the best player available at #4, and he fills a big need for our team. I don't think we had anything to offer Minnesota that they would of liked as much as the deal they got. Mike Miller is a solid NBA pro. We didn't have anything like that to offer that they needed. But back to the pick at #4...I'm glad we didn't take any of the other guards available (Gordon, Augustin, Bayless) or Lopez. I think Westbrook fits really well. <BR/><BR/>From a physical standpoint Westbrook is top-notch:<BR/>-He measured in at 6'2.25", 6'3.5" with shoes on. That is taller than Jerryd Bayless, Eric Gordon, and Derrick Rose. <BR/>-He has a wingspan of 6'7.75". That is longer than OJ Mayo, 4 inches longer than Bayless, and just .25 inches shorter than Rose.<BR/>-He has a body fat % of 4.8. To compare, Rose (4.6), Bayless (4.7), Mayo(6.3), and Gordon (8.2).<BR/>-His standing reach was 8'4". Higher than Bayless, Gordon, Mayo, and Rose. <BR/>-Weighing in at 193, less than the other four guards mentioned, yet he benched 185lbs, 12 times. Rose (10), Mayo (7), Gordon (15), Bayless (10). For the record, Brook Lopez did 7.<BR/>-His agility drill was timed at 10.98. That was better than Rose, Mayo, and Bayless.<BR/>-His spring was timed at 3.08. Very similar to Rose (3.05), Mayo (3.14), Gordon (3.01), and Bayless (3.07).<BR/><BR/>Now I'm not saying because Westbrook could lift some weight, and run good, means that he will be a superstar. I'm just saying I would rather have him scoring these types of numbers, than numbers that were considered average. <BR/><BR/>Another thing that people have brought up about Westbrook is that he didn't have the best stats. I'm fine with his numbers. He was 3rd on UCLA in points, 3rd in rebounds, 2nd in steals, and 1st in assists. And don't forget, he ended the year with three really good games in the Sweet16, Elite Eight, and Final Four.<BR/>-S16 vs. W. Kentucky: 14 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, and he held 1st round pick Courtney Lee to 7-29 shooting.<BR/>-E8 vs. Xavier: 17 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals.<BR/>-F4 vs. Memphis: 22 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals.<BR/><BR/>I have heard numerous comparisons in his game to a bunch of players in the NBA. Something I see as accurate that has been mentioned is the defensive game of Rajon Rando and the offensive game of Monta Ellis. Another thing I heard over and over that I love is "gym rat", "amazing attitude", and "extremely coach-able." <BR/><BR/>A big knock on him is that he isn't a big time shooter. So many solid shooters come into the league without a jumpshot and sometimes it takes players a few years to extend their range. I think Westbrook will have no problem with that. I know it all depends on the system and whatnot, but in a few years, I see Westbrook as a top five defensive PG in the NBA, putting up numbers around 15 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 1.5 steals. Now, those aren't superstar numbers, but they could be even better than that.<BR/><BR/>As far as the rest of the draft....<BR/><BR/>Eh. We had five other picks, and ended up with one guy that I "like". I will give this draft a C+. But I love the Westbrook pick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-15403545406875920802008-06-26T23:45:00.000-07:002008-06-26T23:45:00.000-07:00Westbrook can dunk...http://www.youtube.com/watch?...Westbrook can dunk...<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FP0ua5xFw4<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzllXpnBf8&feature=related<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mVa_CY25fQAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-51658527528795198322008-06-26T23:30:00.000-07:002008-06-26T23:30:00.000-07:00i think we couldve gotten mayo, if we drafted love...i think we couldve gotten mayo, if we drafted love. but to get oj we have to take in bad contracts.<BR/><BR/>i think itll work if it was<BR/>mayo, walker (8 mills, 3 yrs), jaric (6 mills, 3yrs)<BR/><BR/>for love,<BR/><BR/>all or one of these on year contract guys: <BR/>donyell (5.6 mills), <BR/>griffin (1.6 mills), <BR/>petro (1 mill), <BR/>wilcox(6.5 mills) <BR/><BR/>or instead of wilcox, <BR/>luke (6.5 mills, 2 yrs)or <BR/>watson (5.8 mills, 2 yrs).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-48797752644776230482008-06-26T23:22:00.000-07:002008-06-26T23:22:00.000-07:00Well, Sam Presti could've theoretically attempted ...Well, Sam Presti could've theoretically attempted to make the following transaction if the Seattle SuperSonics had drafted Kevin Love rather than Russell Westbrook.<BR/><BR/>FROM MINNESOTA & TO SEATTLE<BR/>PG Marko Jaric ($6,050,000)<BR/>SG O.J. Mayo (Draft Rights)<BR/><BR/>FROM SEATTLE & TO MINNESOTA<BR/>PG Earl Watson ($5,800,000)<BR/>PF Kevin Love (Draft Rights)<BR/><BR/>A backcourt of O.J. Mayo and Marko Jaric would've been big in size, tenacious defensively, and relatively well-rounded on offense; however, Jaric's got an lengthy contract and is occasionally inefficient on offense, while Mayo -- who appears to be a defensively sound version of Gilbert Arenas -- seemingly didn't enamor Sam Presti for some reason.<BR/><BR/>Hell, if Mayo had been available at the 4th pick, then Presti would've reportedly packaged him in a trade with the Los Angeles Clippers for Westbrook and a future first-round draft pick. That, without question, shows how heavily Presti's creamed his jeans at just the thought of Westbrook.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-36114519704515492422008-06-26T22:43:00.000-07:002008-06-26T22:43:00.000-07:00Does the fact that Mayo was just leap frogged over...Does the fact that Mayo was just leap frogged over us to Memphis bother anyone? That would have been a trade I would have like to see the Sonics involved in... but oh ya, we don't have any big men the Timberwolves want... unless they like redheadsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-22001085979604219772008-06-26T22:41:00.000-07:002008-06-26T22:41:00.000-07:00i agree, i thought this draft went very well. pres...i agree, i thought this draft went very well. presti stuck with high character, athletic, defensive, and solid guys. i like his style of picking safe players then on protential. keep in the mind, this is still in a process of overhauling this team which is a long process that takes multiple seasons. i will give presti like a least another two years, if not more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com