tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post279234048286063512..comments2023-11-05T01:50:45.024-08:00Comments on Supersonicsoul - The Sonics Blog!: Flopping, By The NumbersPaulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07413382016761430333noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-6794104484023122252008-06-20T15:20:00.000-07:002008-06-20T15:20:00.000-07:00fair enough. I hadn't thought of that. it was ju...fair enough. I hadn't thought of that. it was just something I noticed while watching the games, and when I saw the article here figured I'd chip in with my two or three cents (depending on inflation...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-63139778167969150222008-06-19T23:36:00.000-07:002008-06-19T23:36:00.000-07:00Not only can you get a yellow card for in-game flo...Not only can you get a yellow card for in-game flopping. But if FIFA notices an extreme flop as they have in past world cups they are known to suspend that player from a game (no best of seven series in the cup btw, so missing 1 game is HUGE). Its important to note that the size of a soccer field compared to how many referees are out there is simply not on par with the NBAs situation. Both have 3 active refs, but soccer refs have to cover more ground. Thus it may be logical to really do the dramatics, since the ref at any given moment could be 100 ft from the play. Not taking a side here just pointing out that these are truly apples and oranges comparisons.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04698742351352625650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-12578889158398490462008-06-19T17:06:00.000-07:002008-06-19T17:06:00.000-07:00I've seen it called, but it's extremely infrequent...I've seen it called, but it's extremely infrequent. Plus, in soccer, it seems as though the flopping is more extreme - if that's the right way to put it. The guys act as if they've had their tendon ruptured if they get the slightest bump. Then, 8 seconds later, they're sprinting down the field.<BR/><BR/>Be interesting to see an NBA team hire a soccer player to teach them how to flop more effectively.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-64588721423463196572008-06-19T16:35:00.000-07:002008-06-19T16:35:00.000-07:00Have I heard correctly, that in soccer (or at leas...Have I heard correctly, that in soccer (or at least some leagues or whatever) you can get yellow-carded for flopping?Lt. Danielshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647062914542033805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-64704885424418493992008-06-19T15:46:00.000-07:002008-06-19T15:46:00.000-07:00again, like Nuss, not meaning to generalize across...again, like Nuss, not meaning to generalize across an entire set of peoples or stereotype players born one place vs another and all the other PC stuff taht needs to preface these types of claims, but being in Europe and watching futbol over here, soccer players flop like woah. half the penalties and free kicks I've seen so far, the players are throwing themselves hither and forth, so it does not seem to be too much of a stretch to apply this influence to a style of basketball play either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-85638075140568497952008-06-19T13:54:00.000-07:002008-06-19T13:54:00.000-07:00No doubt the Euros bring a certain style and flair...No doubt the Euros bring a certain style and flair to the flopping that Americans don't have, and can't just buy at IKEA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-31461072438989715912008-06-19T12:19:00.000-07:002008-06-19T12:19:00.000-07:00Completely agree, but it's the only way I could th...Completely agree, but it's the only way I could think of to look at "flops" from a statistical viewpoint. My hope was that the true offensive charges drawn would balance out against the flops when spread out over a full season and over this number of players.<BR/><BR/>One thing I should have added in the story - I'm not trying to pick on international players. As Morales pointed out in his story, smart athletes and coaches always look for an advantage and seize it for competitive reasons (e.g., Auerbach). It's possible that international players are less wrapped up in the macho attitude of North American players because, let's face it, flopping is not exactly something they put in a sneaker commercial. I'm delving into unknown sociological waters here, but perhaps international players are more interested in doing whatever it takes to gain an advantage than they are in looking good on the court. Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7758702.post-14577241980774832982008-06-19T12:07:00.000-07:002008-06-19T12:07:00.000-07:00Slight problem with your analysis. You assume that...Slight problem with your analysis. You assume that offensive fouls drawn equates to flops. Or, you assume that some charges are legit fouls, but in that case, you have to assume that the percentage of legit fouls vs. flops is the same for all players. <BR/><BR/>I think that's a highly dubious assumption. Some guys are more willing to put themselves in the way of a big guy flying down the lane. That doesn't make them floppers; it makes them Shane Battier.<BR/><BR/>And what about flops on the offensive end? Vlade Divacs used to fling the ball up and howl in pain whenever someone bodied him up. Had nothing to do with flopping when he played D (which he did too).<BR/><BR/>Anyway - I think it's an interesting analysis, but I'm skeptical of the methodology.Lt. Danielshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647062914542033805noreply@blogger.com